Author Scott Harvey discusses the decline of the epic hero archetype in literary fiction and cinema


It was 1978, and my father took my brothers and I to see Superman at the local cinema. Before the film had even begun, we were jumping with excitement at the zoom effects used on the titles, and more importantly, bouncing along with John Williams’ brilliant score. Not long after, it was Christmas, and we were at my aunt’s house in Belfast, where my father and uncle were discussing the film. However, at the time, they weren’t really discussing the plot, the effects, or even the impact of Christopher Reeve’s first outing in the infamous red cape. The point of greatest discussion was the fee that Marlon Brando had been paid to play Jor-El, Superman’s father, or rather Kal-El, as Superman was called while he was still a baby on Krypton. At the time, Brando was paid close to $4 million dollars, plus a percentage of the profits from the film which totalled around $19 million dollars compensation for around twenty minutes of screen time created across thirteen days of shooting.

Such a salary for an actor was unprecedented at the time. It was simply unheard of. Especially when one thinks of Reeve being paid just $250,000 for filming both Superman I and Superman II, in the lead role which spanned almost the entire three and a half hours of both movies combined. Even the film’s villain, Lex Luthor, played by the wonderful Gene Hackman, saw Hackman earn $2 million dollars for his part in the first movie alone.

It seemed heroes had their value, at least in terms of financial pulling power and filling seats at the cinema. Villains clearly had theirs too. In the case of Superman, the value of the hero, even in his own movies appeared to be a given, and that value was given to be decidedly small.

I remember at the time there was a lot of discussion, mainly arguments of justification for why Brando and Hackman had been paid so much in comparison to the actual star of Superman. They ranged from the fact that Brando and Hackman were both Hollywood heavyweights without whom, perhaps the movie would never have been made? At least, would never have been distributed internationally, not without recognised international names. That Reeve was in fact not the actual star, something that was reflected by the fact that it was not until Superman III that he actually received top billing. That even in the first movies, Superman himself was never the true star of the films that bore his name.

It seems absurd, doesn’t it? If we flash forward thirty years or so to 2008, and tried to imagine Pepper Pots or Hogan being the stars of Iron Man, then it really doesn’t make any sense at all, does it? Imagine Nick Fury or Peggy Carter being the real heroes of Captain America: The First Avenger. It just wouldn’t work. As an audience, we have a clear expectation that Iron Man is the lead character in a movie called Iron Man and that Captain America is the lead in any movie that starts with Captain America. But then, when it comes to heroes and most specially the depiction of what we might call superheroes, so much has changed in recent years, and the ascendence of these characters from comic books to cultural icons has been nothing short of staggering.

Perhaps the fact that it took Reeve three outings dressed in a cape before he was finally recognised as the main reason for why an audience were willing to pay to see the movie, is more a reflection of the “seriousness” or believability of a superhero than that which was associated with the role of a father or a villain? That a father’s devotion to his son, or an evil man with no special powers, just an obsession with acquiring real-estate, were roles in which it was simply easier for an audience to believe… even on imaginary planets or in the sewers of the criminal underworld. But then again, whenever we read a work of science fiction, or watch a movie based upon a hero who can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, and see through everything (except lead), then haven’t we already chosen to leave the world of believability behind? In other words, who cares about the devotion of a father whose future is already sealed by a planet about to explode? Or the comical motivations of a man who gives the impression of having more in common with a used car salesman, rather than some criminal genius mastermind? Surely none of that matters and the only thing of any real importance is how the hero will be pressed to breaking point, perhaps even beyond, in order to try and save us all? Yet it would seem that a superhero, even an Epic Hero archetype, still struggles to gain acceptance in the way in which other heroic archetypes, such as the Classical Hero, the Anti-Hero, and even the Everyman Hero does.


Not all superheroes are created equal

If one compared Batman, who many might consider a superhero, had parents who both died (although none have ever received close to top billing in any subsequent film portrayal). It was only after their subsequent deaths (much like the loss of Jonathan Kent), and later in response to the threats upon Gotham, (again, much like those upon Metropolis), that the young Master Wayne finds the courage to transform into the masked man of justice. And yet, Batman’s Gotham, seems decidedly more “real” than the Metropolis Superman inherits, despite so many similarities. Interestingly, as a side note, in Tim Burton`s Batman, (1989), again we see the villain, portrayed in truly exaggerated, ostentatious fashion, by the magnificent Jack Nicholson, receive top billing in addition to a portion of the film`s earnings and merchandise sales. This ahead of Batman himself, played by Michael Keaton. In fact, it is believed that while Keaton was paid $5 million for the role of Batman, in a movie called "Batman," Nicholson earned approximately $90 million for the role of the Joker. That's nineteen times the amount paid to the lead. Now, I say, an interesting side note, because unlike Reeve, Keaton was far from an unknown actor at the time of putting on his suit. In fact, just one year previously he led an all star cast that included Geena Davis, Winona Ryder, and Alex Baldwin, in another Tim Burton movie, Beetlejuice, (1989). So, the discrepency in title role, billing or fame would seem less of an argument, and more perhaps an indication of the roles themselves. By that, I mean, the role of Joker allowed Nicholson to really light up the screen and perform in a way that only Nicholson really can. The same as Brando, in Reeve's Superman had that unique screen presence that distinguishes him so much from very many actors. Perhaps then, the fact that Batman's role is essentially defined. Mainly masked, always serious, in a suit, reliant upon gadgets, and for some inexplanable reason requires mumbling or growling in a low voice, which I expect is meant to disguise who he is, yet at the same time, limits the acting/ expression premise of the character. That the differential in apparent financial value, translated into salary, between the Epic Hero and the Supervillain can be explained. Although Keaton's salary did apparently increase significantly for the sequel, Batman Returns, (1992), at which time he then also received top billing. So, I guess all's well that ends well... for Keaton's Batman at least, who was able to get there one movie ahead of Reeve's Superman. However, enough digression about salaries and billing, Peter Parker, an ordinary, everyday teenager, gets bitten by a spider and following the death of his uncle (who in reality had assumed the role of a father) then decides, like Wayne, to use his powers for good. Parker, again like Wayne, wears a mask to conceal his identity. And whilst Spiderman, much like Superman, can leap from skyscrapers and tall buildings, he prefers to do so swinging from webs, just as Batman requires his “Bat-line”, rather than flying to his next destination. Parker, like Kent, also somehow believes that a life in journalism is the best way to hide any superhumanly powers from the world, yet despite this, the world that Spiderman inhabits (New York City) is again all the more believable over Superman’s Metropolis.

I have often wondered why? Is it the fact that no matter how hard I want to believe, the reality is that I find it impossible to accept that no one can see that Kent is actually Superman simply because of his glasses? Or is it because despite Tony Stark’s Iron Man, I still cannot believe that a “man” can fly? After all, Stark needed a suit in order to achieve that feat. But then, Stark is again more a Classical Hero, more in the vein of a true Anti-Hero in fact, and certainly not or ever an Epic Hero archetype.

For some reason, Epic Heroes, for example Thor, seem to rely greatly on humour, almost as a way to underline the fact that the intention is not to try and create believability, more to provide an escape from it. Portrayals such as Hancock, overly emphasise the humorous nature of superpowers, almost mocking them. Yet the trials and struggles of Superman could never be considered comedic. The deeds of King Arthur, another Epic Hero, ever considered to be a laughing matter. So why then must Kent appear to be somewhat bumbling, almost fool hardy and clumsy? Perhaps even overly and excessively so. Wayne is simply a recluse. Parker, a love-sick teenager. Again, both traits which are believable, even identifiable for many.


A lot has happened in the world of heroes over the past forty years. From green screens and CGI to the virtual technology of Stagecraft, used in the production of Disney’s The Mandalorian. Yet still, the extent of believability clearly plays a part in maintaining our illusion that what we see, could imagine might happen, or even is happening (in a galaxy far far away), actually is. Yet despite the emergence of Mr. Stark and his Avengers, which seemed to dominate every form of consumable media for over a decade, surprisingly, when Henry Cavill opted to take over the cape, Kal-El’s father was replaced by Russell Crowe, whilst on earth, he grew up under wings of none other than Kevin Costner, and Superman no longer needed one famous father to help support his re-emergence onto the silver screen, apparently now he needed two.

I’m many ways I often wonder if I’m still that little boy who sat with my brothers and watched Christopher Reeve rip open his shirt as he entered a revolving door to the sound of trumpets, trombones, and upper orchestral strings...? In many ways, I think I am. I still long for the Epic Hero archetype to come save the world, and hope that if he or she should ever come, then he or she could do so without needing to resort to being a parody of the archetype itself. That the business of world saving would be one that was taken seriously and not cause for wisecracks and one-liners. That possession of any superhumanly strengths or powers would not be taken jokingly or for granted, but with reverence.

The HeroPlot Multiverse, is precisely that, a multiverse of worlds and characters that will collide and coexist. In that space, the meeting of heroic archetypes, just as there must be opposing villainous epitomes, is inevitable. There are those in possession of powers, and those in possession of strengths. Those who inherit such gifts and those who are born with them. Those who discover their abilities and those who will try anything to reject them.

In the world of the superhero, albeit Metropolis or even a multiverse, a strength or power, ability or gift, is more often than not extreme and overwhelming, perhaps still impossible to believe. I doubt that in my lifetime, a time will ever come when the discovery of travel will allow me to return to 1978 and be that little boy who not only escaped into the world which he saw, but actually believed in it. That the innocence of that time is lost, and with it, my hope in this age of ever finding a true Epic Hero. However, having said that, in the world in which we live, a strength or power, ability or gift, is rarely so pronounced as it is within the characters between the pages of a book or those projected upon a screen. More often than not, it comes in the form of a simple act of kindness, through a gesture of gratitude, or the ability to raise hope in times of doubt or need. So, while it seems that for the most part, the creative arts seem to favour the heroic archetypes of the Everyman Hero, like the Hobbits and the Classical Heroes of Luke Skywalker and Potter. The Anti-Hero of Captain Jack Sparrow, and the Tragic Heroes of characters such as Don Draper and Anakin. I still live with the hope for an Epic Hero revival. One that will learn from the errors of portrayals in the past. One that will not require Hollywood legends and stars to support the character, or make light of their abilities, because the character and the quest is enough to believe.

If the aim of any heroic archetype is truly to offer belief, then I hope we can move away from Epic Heroes who live under the sea and fight battles with tridents and quick wit. From scientists who turn into angry green men and now somehow are able to control their anger with reason and logic. From Amazonia princesses who after centuries on earth now suddenly discover the ability to fly. And from Nordic gods who are constantly forced to fight evil with sarcasm and their incredibly heavy hammers. Because I want to believe, and I hope that I can believe again. But in order to do so, an Epic Hero doesn’t have to become an example of epic frivolity. Just as it was when Reeves ripped open his shirt to reveal the magical symbol upon his chest, to the sound of his triumphant fanfare, an Epic Hero has the potential to be precisely that.... Epic in every sense.

Ultimately, it is the combined responsibility of the author, the artist, the screenwriter, producer, director, and the actor to ensure that the qualities of the character are those that help us believe. That make us able to. Whilst the advancements in computer generated effects can add greatly to enhancing such belief, they should certainly never be the primary basis upon which it is sought, and most definitely not through humorising the nature of the genre, its characters or archetypes.

13 Comments To This Article

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    on Spetember 22nd, 2021 at 7:28 PM - Reply

    I read through your post and I have to say I agree - somewhat. I do think that Hollywood seems to favor heroic figure types other than Epic Heroes. But then don’t you think thats just because Disney has basically worn us down with the Marvel thing? I mean even after Avengers: Endgame they just keep coming!

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      Scott Harvey
      on September 23rd, 2021 at 10:24 AM - Reply

      Hi Kelly, good question.

      I certainly don’t want to attempt to speak on behalf of a film studio, but I have seen a number of interviews from both directors and actors alike who seem quite negative to the works of the Marvel / Disney collaboration. As a spectator, I think it is possible to appreciate all sides of an argument. On the one hand, the monies involved in producing highly visual and effect-filled movies today is very expensive, despite any assumption that available technology must somehow mean lower production costs. We see this for example not only in movies within the Epic Hero genre, but across many genre types. With the Fast and the Furious film franchise, the last four movies have cost all upwards of $200 million to produce. Compare that the first movie which apparently cost around $38 million and you see that with each release the need to be “bigger”, “better”, more “stunning” is a heavy price to pay that ultimately cannot be maintained. Even if the lead characters do not wear capes or come from other planets.

      When Pierce Brosnan filmed, James Bond’s Die Another Day, his final movie in that franchise, the pressure on effects and for being bigger had reached a point where it would be fair to say that it had become almost ludicrous. Invisible cars, and most notably, the scene where Brosnan surfs down a glacier after it was hit with a giant space laser, seemed a million miles away from his first appearance in Goldeneye. Perhaps there was a reason why with Casino Royale, the next movie in the franchise, the producers returned to a more “gritty” less effects based piece, where the traits of the Classical Hero are more important than the gadgets he possesses?

      Ultimately, whether one is a fan of film or a particular franchise or not, I think we can all agree that we want to see movies being made. We want to escape into those stories and leave the cinema either wanting to be Bond, or wishing that we too were born on Krypton.

      To those negative of Marvel, and yes, they may well have good cause or point, I think we then, as an audience, would have to also bear a part of that criticism. By that what I mean is, if no one went to a movie theatre to watch the Avengers. If customers subscribed to Disney+ and selected every genre except Marvel, then I am certain in a very short amount of time, the production of Marvel films would stop. The fact is that people want to see these movies, because if they didn’t, there simply would have been an “endgame”. A very sudden and abrupt one at that.

      As I say, remaining a spectator, I can also appreciate that for an actor, the actual acting challenge must be decidedly different playing in such movies as opposed to a real-life situation without green screens and harnesses and props which will all be replaced by true digital graphics. And I can imagine as a director, the challenge of film making, whilst still relevant, is perhaps more influenced by the management and discovery of boundaries of technology.

      I remember at film school, being forced to watch Eisenstein’s, Battleship Potemkin, (1925). At the time I struggled. I was a student, had been at a party the night before. Now sat in a dark room and watched a silent film that was very heavy on montage. The week after, we watched another Eisenstein piece called, October (1928). Again, Eisenstein was using film to express his theories of structure and the mechanical properties of montage to tell a story. The third week, I walked into the lecture theatre and remember thinking, if I have to watch another Eisenstein piece then I’ll scream. Instead, a much shorter piece, Meshes of the Afternoon, 1943, by Maya Deren and Alexandr Hackenschmied played. As I watched, I began to understand that the narrative, which essentially forms around several repeating motifs, becomes all the more surreal (no spoilers). The camera angles are also quite abstract, and as a result one could argue that it becomes increasingly difficult to grasp what, if anything, within the “dream” is real. In much the same way, for example, as one could easily argue that Eisenstein’s portrayal of Kerensky in October, as both a peacock and Napoleon is both surreal and unrealistic, and yet, by editing, one certainly understands the correlation between.

      Now you may be wondering why I seemed to have gone off on a tangent here? Well, let me explain. Film, as an art form, has always in one way or another relied upon creative approaches to the medium to create unique work. Today’s directors don’t need to cut film and tape edits. Today’s film makers have access to an arsenal of technology that can literally make us believe that Krypton is imploding, and the Bifrost Bridge really does allow travel between the Nine Realms.

      I believe that Hollywood, like any industry, provides for the greater part, the products that its market want. As I say, Kelly, it does feel as though at this moment in time, that the market has a love of Epic Heroes, but that in delivering that product, much the same as Brosnan suffered in his last outing as James Bond, the need to be bigger and better has perhaps also been at the price of believability. And yet isn’t that what we seek in film? The belief of what we are watching? Do we really need one-liners, sarcasm and humour to create that belief? When Thor reunites with the Hulk, in Thor: Ragnarok, (2017), does he really need to refer to him as, “A friend from work”?

      Perhaps the use of humour is central to the essence of the characters portrayed in the comic book? But even if this were the case, then I think it would be fair to say, that after more than a decade of Marvel film releases, and in an age where comic books no longer provide the source of light entertainment that they once did fifty years ago, that the opportunity now exists to provide greater depth and belief to these characters. Because if it did, perhaps the line between Epic Hero and Classical Hero might blur. In much the same way as the line between surreal and materialist film blurred into conventional film making processes. So much so, and to such a degree, that as an audience, we rarely even take notice of these anymore. They have simply become a part of the language of film. Perhaps then it is the definition and categorisation of the “Hero” itself that must change? That an Epic Hero and Classical Hero should morph towards the same…. A simple definition of heroism. If they did, then perhaps there would be no need for the one-liners? Only the need for heroism itself.

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      on September 24th, 2021 at 7:02 PM - Reply

      Wow! What an answer. You make me feel like I should write more. Gonna take some time to read through this again. You're super cool Scott!

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      Scott Harvey
      on September 24th, 2021 at 10:46 PM - Reply

      I think I should leave the "super" and the "cool" to the real heroes Kelly, but I hope you find something of value in my response.

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      on September 28th, 2021 at 8:36 PM - Reply

      Dude... this was awesome. Really cool and I totally agree. They should give you a camera and let you remake the Avengers!

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      Scott Harvey
      on September 29th, 2021 at 9:04 AM - Reply

      Thanks Kelly, but I think Synder, Gunn, Favreau and the Russo brothers have things covered.

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      on October 2nd, 2021 at 7:51 PM - Reply

      You could do like more sophisticated heroes? I mean Epic Heroes but like bad-ass and believable?

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      Scott Harvey
      on October 4th, 2021 at 12:19 AM - Reply

      I tell you what, Kelly. You keep your eye on HEROPLOT and the second book in the series, which I will be announcing shortly. Maybe it will give you some of what you seek?

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      on October 4th, 2021 at 3:57 AM - Reply

      Ok now I need more. When's the second book coming out? Is it going to have heroes in it? Like Epic stuff?

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      Scott Harvey
      on October 4th, 2021 at 4:09 AM - Reply

      Sorry, Kelly, I really can't say more just yet. In a few weeks time I'll announce the title... the rest, for now, will stay a mystery I'm afraid.

      Appreciate the chat and interaction. I really do hope you enjoyed HEROPLOT: The Spear of Destiny?

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      on October 4th, 2021 at 4:22 AM - Reply

      It was freek'in awesome! The ending was just massive!!! I need the next book now. I need to know what happens to Spear!

      P.S. How could I get you to sign a copy?

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      Scott Harvey
      on October 4th, 2021 at 5:37 AM - Reply

      Let me write you an email Kelly and we can take it from there.

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      on October 4th, 2021 at 5:48 AM - Reply

      Thanks dude. Wow. You're so cool. You should be at like Comic-Con or something so fans can approach you. If they don't invite you I'm gonna start like a GoFundMe page to get you there! Really cool talking with you Scott. And The Spear of Destiny is really awesome dude. A great story.

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